|Green.Goblin on 06.08. at 07:38|
|Hey, Greenmonsta here, I'm assuming you are someone under alias?|
There are a few things I wish to talk to you about, and would appreciate it if you could add me to skype. I'm leaving soon but will be around to chat around 3pm ST.
oddmonsta is my skype name.
|DeusAbbas on 06.08. at 08:40|
i have you on skype. But I'd prefer to discuss matters in mail.||
Green.Goblin on 06.08. at 21:57|
Fair enough. I take it you don't want to reveal your alias?|
You're leading Mafiya, correct?
DeusAbbas on 06.08. at 22:28|
Yes, I'm leading Mafiya. What were the issues you wished to discuss?||
Green.Goblin on 06.08. at 22:33|
Well, I see mafiya doesn't really have a base, and I know you guys are pretty skilled individual players.|
Since I don't have time to go the long route, short version is, I was hoping we could work together for a time to clean up the smaller tribes in the area. Maybe work some sort of K dominance out (we may spread to the western rim).
I know MArvel isn't perceived as a good tribe yet, and hated on the externals, but with some solid leadership (me and skitlz) now in place, we can start things moving.
DeusAbbas on 06.08. at 22:55|
Diplomacy this early on?|
Its often a slippery slope but I have a few questions.
First up, what do you feel Marvel can offer to Mafiya in terms of cleaning up smaller tribes in the area?
Secondly, what sort of assistance do you feel Marvel will require from Mafiya in light of the same goal?
Thirdly, its perhaps best to have an idea of the long term plan before we even discuss such matters. What happens, theoretically if we agree to clean out smaller continent tribes, after the continent is cleaned out. What in your mind will be the sequence of events that play out at that point of time?
Fourth, what time frame do your expect to need to carry out your stated objective of cleaning up smaller time tribes in the area (time frame maybe in weeks or months and lets say it starts from now)?
Fifth, and you can perhaps understand my concern about this, many things revealed on the externals do (to an outsider) point at Marvel falling apart or having a certain amount of discontent and disloyalty in the tribe. I'm not saying this is the case, its just what appears to the casual PnP forum reader. Is there anything you can tell me towards assuring me of Marvels stability at this time and for the near future?
Replies to the above would certainly assist me in formulating an opinion of Marvel that isn't solely built up from the tribe's present reputation.
|Green.Goblin today at 03:06||
Firstly, I think we can help each other here. We are both premades with skilled players, and leaders who know what they are doing. Hence, we both know that working together will make it easier to grow and dominate the area, rather than working separately, tensions growing, territory swapping and eventually warring, which ends up in both of us losing ground to other tribes.
Second, as I said in my first point, we can help each other. Work on the same targets in the same area.
Third, I've taken leadership over today, having a plan this early on is suicidal. I'm the type of leader who will adapt and change based on what happens around us. At this stage there is no point planning anything. First we have to work towards cleaning the area, when that looks promising we can plan further ahead.
fourth, again, no clue. Some tribes may merge, thus presenting a larger obstacle than anticipated, which will require more time to overcome.
Fifth, as I said on the externals, MArvel may seem to be falling apart, but a first time leader made some mistakes, as all first-time leaders do. We still have our core players. From my own experience, a core of 10 is better than 50 randomly recruited players.
As for Marvels stability, with me in charge I can say things will be much different. I am looking to change a lo of things, and messaging you was one of about 20 things I did the morning I took over.
If you have me on skype, you must know who I am and what I am like. You probably know what I have done in the past, and what I am capable of. It's up to you to draw your conclusions from here.
Green.Goblin today at 10:07|
DeusAbbas today at 11:23|
Sorry coplayer here .... he'll reply later.||
Green.Goblin today at 12:11|
DeusAbbas today at 15:05|
Thank you for taking your time to answer my questions, that was very considerate of you.|
But to be frank I'm not very convinced as regards a series of points that you have tried to sell me:
Green.Goblin today at 15:40|
DeusAbbas today at 16:13|
I'll take this from the bottom.|
As for my rank, I'm not playing. I'm only here to lead. If you're going to tell me you can't take me seriously because I don't have points, then I don't see Mafiya doing well, and we should just cancel our talks here.
If you are not playing and you are only here to lead, then you are a paper leader out of touch with the needs of his tribe. A paper leader is a poor leader. And a tribe with a poor leader is not a tribe I would consider any level of co-operation with.
Thereby your suggestion to cancel talks is moot. This was an appraisal of you by me, it was not a good appraisal.
In addition to this in the above quote and the following quote:
As for my rank, I'm not playing. I'm only here to lead. If you're going to tell me you can't take me seriously because I don't have points, then I don't see Mafiya doing well, and we should just cancel our talks here. You have your style of leading, and you like to have points, whereas I prefer to focus on leading because I find playing utterly boring and time-consuming. I prefer the strategic thought that comes into play when leading. I stopped playing in [H] after a few months, but my members didn't respect me any less because they knew I was there only to help them, rather than to secure my own points.
You do not seem to be able to separate your idea with being a leading player in the server from simply chasing points. That shows either very poor understanding of the game, or head in the sand defense of the poor state of your account. Whereas my account can assist tribemates in supporting them, backtiming their enemies and catting their enemies, clearing their farms, etc ; your account is useless to your tribe. It is dead weight, a charity consideration.
Whereas I can bring both my insight and guidance as a leader to the tribe as well as the capacity of my account, you can only bring your advice and orders and do nothing to actually help implement your orders because you're rank 28,000th in the server.
To order others into battles that you yourself do not fight, time and again, is cowardice.
No leader with that philosophy is to be taken seriously either in diplomatic talks or even by their own tribemates (if those tribemates are smart).
Additionally in regards to your not seeing Mafiya doing well, I'm afraid you have a poor track record of making predictions in TW. How long ago was it that you were promising that Ip will be one of the most aggressive and successful tribes in W50 ?
Its not just the state your account, greenmonsta, its your persona. You think of yourself as a respected and formidable veteran leader and player but to be honest, we see you as a self important clown with selective amnesia.
And to finally answer:
First, I need to say that I wasn't requesting an alliance at all. If I ever make an alliance, it takes months andm onths of careful consideration and working together before I even consider it. What I am suggesting is working towards the same goal for now, and getting to know each other. In my experience, two tribes full of members who work together and become friends without any official relations become much stronger allies than if they did have official relations (if you get what I mean).
In my opinion, early game and first nobles is a bad time to attack a tribe with players who generally know what they are doing. If you are looking at long-term, you want the easy targets early on, get the K dominance and then go after the better tribes.
I agree with you that a period of just getting along between two small groups of players with relatively equal strength can be conducive to a long term alliance but thats not the case here.
You may wish to hug your nearest serious rivals as tightly as possible and pick on the small tribes. That is not our philosophy. A war tribe wars. At all stages of the game. With 1 village, with 50, with 200, etc. We do not indulge in early game diplomacy whether you attach the name "alliance" to it or you try and sugarcoat it by calling it "working towards the same goal for now".
We call it the cowards way. We are not inclined towards employing that sort of policy.
So I'll put an end to this conversation, we have heard what you had to say and we would like to decline your offer.
I'm blocking you now. I doubt if there is more to be said between you and I.