1. I do not really see Marvel can assist Mafiya in the matters you've discussed, sure it will turn one of our potential rivals into an ally if we took you up on your deal but Im not so certain that avoiding the problems you mentioned here:
   
   Green.Goblin wrote:
   

   ... tensions growing, territory swapping and eventually warring, which ends up in both of us losing ground to other tribes.
   
   

   Are worth the trade off of not being able to use Marvel as a ready supply of early nobling targets and food in general. Personally I do not see Marvel as being a tribe that can either threaten or provide assistance to Mafiya at a significant level. Maybe if the world allowed out-tribe support you could make defense for us but thats not an option here. And this early on, its not like we need a tribe of morale bashers. So to ally Marvel would simply be to give you a free ticket from being subject to Mafiya's depradations that we don't think you can stop.
   
   
2. I'm additionally not convinced that Marvel is in W51 for the long run. To me it looks to have the markings of one of those early game premades that join a world for the 1 village stage or so and fade out of existance as the early nobing phases of the world commences. I do not want an ally that's simply going to play the early game and not be around when the interesting wars get underway. And I understand of course that you may deny it, but Marvel matches up to all the indicators that my experience of TW stores of being one of those self-hyped fail premades that do not plan for the long run.
   That you refer to members of your tribe as core players (indicating there are "secondary" tribemates) also is discouraging to me if you're trying to convince me of your being a good leader. Its not an indicator of a good leader.
   
   
3. Yes I do have you on skype and I do know you from before but to be honest, you're trying to sell me this entire deal based your perception of your reputation. Thats just braggadacio (I hope I spelled that right).
   You've made an automatic assumption that knowing you, I will now think that Marvel has a good leader, because I think you are a good leader. I think no such thing. Very much the opposite. I've had a chance to speak to several of the people you "lead" in W50 Ip and those I spoke to have nothing good to say of your tenure there. I've incidentally had a chance to speak to some [H] members as well and they do not feel you did much leading in that tribe.
   
   Green.Goblin wrote:
   

   You probably know what I have done in the past, and what I am capable of. It's up to you to draw your conclusions from here.

   
   
   I do not normally make my judgements based on the past although if I were to draw my conclusions based on my knowledge of yours it would be a favourable conclusion for you. At any rate, you have played this world for 2 weeks now and you sit at a measly 86 points and are ranked 28,000 or such in the server.
   
   I cannot take you seriously. I always strive to lead by example and the state of my account reflects that mentality. I dislike and look down upon leaders who are there "just to lead and not really play" (which the state of your account would indicate). Next time Marvel wishes to discuss possible co-operation with me, tell them to send someone to talk to me who I can take seriously.
   
   Take it easy.
   

   - DeusAbbas

1. I need to say that I wasn't requesting an alliance at all. If I ever make an alliance, it takes months and months of careful consideration and working together before I even consider it. What I am suggesting is working towards the same goal for now, and getting to know each other. In my experience, two tribes full of members who work together and become friends without any official relations become much stronger allies than if they did have official relations (if you get what I mean).
   
   In my opinion, early game and first nobles is a bad time to attack a tribe with players who generally know what they are doing. If you are looking at long-term, you want the easy targets early on, get the K dominance and then go after the better tribes.
   
   
2. We are in it for the long run, though skitlz and some others forum presence may not make it seem that way. I pride myself in being good at making plans for the future, and seeing which way the world will go, I've always been able to do that quite well. I'm a long-term player/leader, I don't do short term.
   
   As for my 'core' players, what i meant was the recent recruitment drive that skitlz started. That was a grave error in judgement there, and he recognises that. Now we are back mostly to our original players, though some still chose to run away at the first sight of MArvel possibly falling. When I lead, I expect my members to follow me over a cliff, and I appear to take that direction in order to test them quite often, so players who like to run won't survive long.
   
   
3. I'll admit I was totally and utterly inebriated when writing that last message, and got a bit mixxed up with another tribe I'm talking to at the moment, some n00b started threatening me. But I still think the idea of that statement was valid, I want to make sure you have an idea of how I'll lead and the things I do. Obviously you understand that, and yes, I do agree that past successes won't necessarily be repeated, but I've had experience taking lead of a tribe going downhill, and pushing it back up, so I do have a general idea of what has to be done, whereas skitlz has never led a tribe before, hence his plethora of mistakes.
   
   As for my rank, I'm not playing. I'm only here to lead. If you're going to tell me you can't take me seriously because I don't have points, then I don't see Mafiya doing well, and we should just cancel our talks here. You have your style of leading, and you like to have points, whereas I prefer to focus on leading because I find playing utterly boring and time-consuming. I prefer the strategic thought that comes into play when leading. I stopped playing in [H] after a few months, but my members didn't respect me any less because they knew I was there only to help them, rather than to secure my own points.
   
   From your last paragraph, I can say the same to you. If you think people respecting you as a leader has anything to do with how many points you have, then you're a very closed-minded person who only respects their own leaders based on how many points they have.
   
   

As for my rank, I'm not playing. I'm only here to lead. If you're going to tell me you can't take me seriously because I don't have points, then I don't see Mafiya doing well, and we should just cancel our talks here.

As for my rank, I'm not playing. I'm only here to lead. If you're going to tell me you can't take me seriously because I don't have points, then I don't see Mafiya doing well, and we should just cancel our talks here. You have your style of leading, and you like to have points, whereas I prefer to focus on leading because I find playing utterly boring and time-consuming. I prefer the strategic thought that comes into play when leading. I stopped playing in [H] after a few months, but my members didn't respect me any less because they knew I was there only to help them, rather than to secure my own points.

First, I need to say that I wasn't requesting an alliance at all. If I ever make an alliance, it takes months andm onths of careful consideration and working together before I even consider it. What I am suggesting is working towards the same goal for now, and getting to know each other. In my experience, two tribes full of members who work together and become friends without any official relations become much stronger allies than if they did have official relations (if you get what I mean).